tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6923995063430144879.post8171610486975510315..comments2023-03-31T11:10:18.032+03:00Comments on Deo Volente Ex Animo: Decorum, maybe?Thomas Gullicksonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13640680485289909046noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6923995063430144879.post-91304480722274703392012-11-09T00:19:03.007+02:002012-11-09T00:19:03.007+02:00Your Excellency, you are most welcome!
That arti...Your Excellency, you are most welcome! <br /><br />That article is the first (and, so far, only) article that I have read from <i>Antiphon</i>; I think that I will have to do some more looking through their archives (http://www.liturgysociety.org/antiphon/). Where there is one gem, there is often another.Hidden Onehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06042188431683942338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6923995063430144879.post-73674561159243346602012-11-07T10:23:05.258+02:002012-11-07T10:23:05.258+02:00Dear Hidden One!
Thank you for the article! It was...Dear Hidden One!<br />Thank you for the article! It was a marvelous antidote to "post election blues"... Ha! I will come back to the article, I am sure again and again, because of its reasoned approach to what the Holy Father means by mutual enrichment. I also does an excellent job of grounding my option for Dobszay over Kirby in my article about Reform and Restoration: http://deovolenteexanimo.blogspot.com/2012/11/reformrestoration.html<br /><br />God bless!<br />+TEGThomas Gullicksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13640680485289909046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6923995063430144879.post-50704656005217879712012-11-07T05:05:19.878+02:002012-11-07T05:05:19.878+02:00Your Excellency, I just finished reading a paper b...Your Excellency, I just finished reading a paper by Fr. Sven Condrad, FSSP, that (near the end) touches on this issue. (In general, I think you may find the paper interesting if you have not already read it.)<br /><br />Renewal of the Liturgy in the Spirit of Tradition: Perspectives with a View Towards the Liturgical Development of the West": http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&ved=0CDUQFjAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.liturgysociety.org%2FJOURNAL%2FVolume14%2F14.1Conrad.pdf&ei=m8-ZUMLYJq-60AH8zYCwDQ&usg=AFQjCNGpnfJeem95AaaaUZKKBhjZZNlz8AHidden Onehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06042188431683942338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6923995063430144879.post-17683996437366343482012-10-08T03:23:59.303+03:002012-10-08T03:23:59.303+03:00Your Excellency, I agree with you that mutual enri...Your Excellency, I agree with you that mutual enrichment is a great thing. The one danger that occurs to me is that one might accidentally 'mutually impoverish' the Forms - but I do not think that I have ever seen this happen, and hope I never will. Ad orientem celebration, for example, is definitely <b>not</b> an impoverishment of the OF!<br /><br />I love to attend (or serve) Masses celebrated ad orientem - OF or EF - both because it seems so right to me and because it has been so beneficial for my soul. Even recalling ad orientem Masses - and the principles that lead to it and are made evident by it - while I am at a Mass celebrated versus populum can be helpful, at least for me. Ad orientem celebration of the OF, perhaps unlike some other things valued by 'trads' (often justly), is something that I think really can become the norm in any parish - and I hope it does.Hidden Onehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06042188431683942338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6923995063430144879.post-48064247959945246302012-10-07T06:11:31.660+03:002012-10-07T06:11:31.660+03:00Very good, Hidden One, let's go with "bot...Very good, Hidden One, let's go with "both-and". My specific wish was to speak to the seminary training issue, but as I know a specific self-taught priest, who represents a Jekyll-Hyde on such things, not really letting the EF influence his OF style, I guess I shouldn't exclude the possibilities that others might get the principle of mutual enrichment and move accordingly. My own conviction about ad Orientem as best for the OF is not rubrical but rather first an opening to the thought of the Holy Father and the witness of the dear bishop of Tulsa and others. Secondly, it was a deliberate step on my part, which has been repaid in my own life and that of others many times over.Thomas Gullicksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13640680485289909046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6923995063430144879.post-73013291802105373292012-10-07T04:04:28.196+03:002012-10-07T04:04:28.196+03:00Your Excellency, I support such formation very muc...Your Excellency, I support such formation very much, but I have often heard that some priests do not have time or otherwise have the opportunity to do so in virtue of their assignments. I certainly wouldn't want such a guide to replace priests (and seminarians) learning the EF, but it might be a useful aid or a stepping stone, especially for those who forever reason do not (presently) want to learn the EF, but perhaps are willing to learn from it. I think also of places where there is great hostility to the EF: Father starting to stand a certain distance from the altar with his feet a particular way (thanks to an ebook on his iPad) is, I think, much less noticeable than Father being away for a week or weekend to go learn the EF. But I am not a priest, so I have no direct personal experience with that. However, as one who has been trained to serve and has served a number of Masses in both Forms, I can certainly say that learning to serve the EF has left quite a mark on my manner of participation in any Mass, whether I am serving or not.Hidden Onehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06042188431683942338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6923995063430144879.post-51078982271650916942012-10-06T06:06:36.219+03:002012-10-06T06:06:36.219+03:00It is certainly a right idea, but actual formation...It is certainly a right idea, but actual formation to celebrate the EF with all the discipline and order that implies would have a formative effect on lumbering people like me, on distracted types who don't know how to stand within a space. Somehow I cling to the notion of mutual enrichment over filling in the blanks.Thomas Gullicksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13640680485289909046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6923995063430144879.post-74578156612517524582012-10-06T03:27:45.047+03:002012-10-06T03:27:45.047+03:00Your Excellency, your last couple paragraphs lead ...Your Excellency, your last couple paragraphs lead me to wonder about the possibility of some publishing entity putting out a sort of "fill-in-the-blanks guide" to the OF, in which those things that are not specified in the OF but are in the EF (in a way not contradictory to the OF's rubrics) could be listed so that a priest - whether or not he celebrates the EF - could more easily add to the decorum with which he celebrates the OF if he so wishes.Hidden Onehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06042188431683942338noreply@blogger.com